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Caleb Thielbar or Andrew Painter

Who Should I Start? - Week 14 • Start New
Caleb Thielbar

Caleb Thielbar

RPChicago Cubs CHC
Andrew Painter

Andrew Painter

SPPhiladelphia Phillies PHI
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🔓 EXPERT ANALYSIS

Owners starting Thielbar over Painter

 
 
 
 
START BOTH START BENCH BOTH BN

Includes Detailed Projections

Latest News Caleb Thielbar
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🔓 EXPERT ANALYSIS

Owners starting Painter over Thielbar

 
 
 
 
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Outlook Andrew Painter

Andrew Painter battles rookie growing pains as fantasy managers look for signs of stability.

The second-place Phillies (38-33) are pushing for the postseason, but Painter has hit a wall, logging a 10.76 ERA and 1.96 WHIP over his last two starts. He remains the team's number three starter, though Philadelphia recently experimented with Tanner Banks as an opener to ease the rookie's burden.

His current 6.65 ERA is discouraging, but our models project a much better 4.62 ERA and 120 strikeouts over 111.0 innings rest-of-season. The elite raw stuff is still there, suggesting these struggles are rookie growing pains rather than a permanent regression.

This week, Painter is scheduled for a single start at home on June 17 against Miami's Sandy Alcantara. Our projection of a 5.73 weekly ERA makes him too risky to deploy, so fantasy managers should sit him until he shows improved control.

Updated 12 hrs ago

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Performance Caleb Thielbar
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ERA W-L HLD SV SO WLK WHIP GP
0.000-010300.002
Season stats based on the past 7 days

ERA W-L HLD SV SO WLK WHIP GP
5.290-010500.785
Season stats based on the past 14 days
Performance Andrew Painter
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ERA W-L HLD SV SO WLK WHIP GP
9.000-000331.601
Season stats based on the past 7 days

ERA W-L HLD SV SO WLK WHIP GP
10.760-100751.962
Season stats based on the past 14 days
Next Up Own/Start Comparison
OWN/START Caleb Thielbar
OWN
 
3%
+0.36 compared to last week
START
 
2%
+0.7 compared to last week
OWN/START Andrew Painter
OWN
16%
-3.01 compared to last week
START
 
10%
-1.66 compared to last week
Next Up Consensus Rankings
Expert Consensus Caleb Thielbar
36th
Average Ranking of Fantasy Experts
Expert Consensus Andrew Painter
106th
Average Ranking of Fantasy Experts
Next Up Player Breakdowns
Breakdown Caleb Thielbar

    Overview

  • Experts rank this player at 36th among RP's. Based on his stats from the past 60 days, he is currently ranked 138th.
  • The current leader among RP's is Cade Smith
  • Can't be doing much worse than he is right now. Failing to live up to expectations is one thing, but playing this bad is another.
  • Trending Pitching Stats

  • Currently ranked 105th in WHIP with 1.31
  • Currently ranked 183rd in ERA with 4.55
  • Top 75 in saves and is currently ranked 54th with 2
  • At this point in the season his numbers compared to last years: W: EVEN, L: +1, WHIP: +0.123, ERA: +1.844, K's: -2, Walks: -3
Breakdown Andrew Painter

    Overview

  • Experts rank this player at 106th among SP's. Based on his stats from the past 60 days, he is currently ranked 382nd.
  • The current leader among SP's is Jacob Misiorowski
  • Can't be doing much worse than he is right now. Failing to live up to expectations is one thing, but playing this bad is another.
  • Trending Pitching Stats

  • Currently ranked 159th in WHIP with 1.71
  • Currently ranked 159th in ERA with 7.50
  • Top 50 in walks and is currently ranked 47th with 19
  • Slight decline in numbers lately at 2.3 PPG.
  • At this point in the season his numbers compared to last years: W: +1, L: +7, WHIP: +1.57, ERA: +6.43, K's: +50, Walks: +22
Next Up Health Check
Injury Caleb Thielbar

No Injury Reported

Injury Andrew Painter

No Injury Reported

Next Up Matchup Comparison
Matchups Caleb Thielbar
DateOpponentResult
Jun 15VS COLMichael Lorenzen
Jun 16VS COLRyan Feltner
Jun 17VS COLSean Sullivan
Jun 19VS TORKevin Gausman
Jun 20VS TORPatrick Corbin
Jun 21VS TORDylan Cease
ERA W-L HLD SV SO WLK WHIP GP
0.000-010200.001
Season stats based on this weeks opponents
Matchups Andrew Painter
DateOpponentResult
Jun 15VS MIARyan Gusto
Jun 16VS MIATyler Phillips
Jun 17VS MIASandy Alcantara
Jun 18VS NYMSean Manaea
Jun 20VS NYMFreddy Peralta
Jun 21VS NYM
ERA W-L HLD SV SO WLK WHIP GP
5.400-100732.001
Season stats based on this weeks opponents
Next Up Ratings Comparison
Rating Caleb Thielbar
5.66
FantasySP Player Rating
Rating Andrew Painter
7.13
FantasySP Player Rating
Next Up Career Comparison
Career Caleb Thielbar
YEAR TM APP INN PC K WLK SV W-L ERA WHIP K/9 PTS
2013 MIN 49 39.0 659 39 14 0 3-2 2.08 0.97 9 133
2014 MIN 53 38.2 789 35 15 0 2-1 4.19 1.68 8.2 90
2015 MIN 6 5.0 81 5 0 0 0-0 5.4 1 9 9
2020 MIN 17 15.2 338 20 8 0 2-1 2.87 1.28 11.5 46
2021 MIN 59 66.0 1106 77 20 0 7-0 3.14 1.14 10.5 180
2022 MIN 63 57.1 940 73 18 1 4-3 3.3 1.12 11.5 142
2023 MIN 40 29.0 530 38 7 0 3-2 4.34 1.17 11.8 79
2024 MIN 59 38.0 887 53 24 3 2-4 6.63 1.95 12.6 88
2025 CHC 72 50.0 893 61 16 1 3-4 3.06 1.12 11 139
2026 CHC 20 15.2 324 20 8 2 2-2 4.02 1.4 11.5 48
ON PACE 45 35 729 45 18 4 4-4 4.02 1.4 11.5 107
3-YEAR AVG 57 38 770 51 16 1 3-3 4.7 1.43 12 102
Career 438 342.2 6547 421 130 0 0-0 3.81 1.32 11.1
Career Andrew Painter
YEAR TM APP INN PC K WLK SV W-L ERA WHIP K/9 PTS
2026 PHI 13 63.0 1085 50 22 0 1-7 6.43 1.57 7.1 58
ON PACE 29 144 2475 114 50 0 2-15 6.43 1.57 7.1 131
3-YEAR AVG 0 0 0 0 0 0 0-0 NAN NAN NAN 0
Career 13 63.0 1085 50 22 0 0-0 6.43 1.57 7.1
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